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If you're naming your podcast uncapped, you are the problem. Yeah.
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Maybe just medium-sized cap. Medium cap.
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Medium cap. Exactly.
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Who is the core of the company? Is it the founder or is it the VC firm? [SPEAKER_06] It's the VC firm, obviously.
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Break the fourth wall. Yeah. [SPEAKER_00] This is where we get to talk about Napoleon.
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[SPEAKER_06] I guess this looks like a lot of leisure.
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Look at you in that beautiful $2,000 lower piano sweater and hosting this ridiculous podcast. This is a regular sweater. [SPEAKER_07] My big lesson from technology trends, especially these things that will last for 10, 20 years, is people always say these things are over or overhyped and it's still early. It's early for a longer time than you would think.
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[SPEAKER_06] It's always that way. [SPEAKER_06] The thing that I think will be the most impactful on that five to 10 year time frame is AI will actually discover new science.
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[SPEAKER_10] And then if I look to 15 years hence, 20, 40 and beyond, we're going to be in an era of abundance that's so large, it's very hard for people to imagine. The need to work will go away. [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. [SPEAKER_05] So there's vibe coding. I think there will be vibe trading. This is the promise of what I call the next internet, the transition from HTTP to MCP. If MCP allows us to deploy agents that are highly specialized, then the world becomes a collaboration between agents as opposed to one agent to rule them all.
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[SPEAKER_03] Hardware companies are something that if one hardware company doesn't happen, the whole category might not happen. If Elon didn't push SpaceX, who knows where humanity would be with space today? If he didn't push Tesla, who knows where EVs would be?
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[SPEAKER_07] If you had secret microphones in robotics labs across the country right now, you'd just be hearing, holy shit, holy shit, holy shit. [SPEAKER_04] Yeah, I always tell defense tech companies this. It's, this is not the field of dreams. If you build it, they do not come. That's not how it works. You go to the Department of War and you say, I have built you a perpetual motion machine and I will sell it to you for a million dollars. They would say, okay, we're going to bid this out to market and we're going to have Lockheed Martin, a $100 billion contract to rebuild from white paper, your perpetual motion machine. That's how it works.
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[SPEAKER_02] I tend to think the way to do defense tech is you definitely don't just show up with the best product in the world and say, how do we spend years getting someone to buy this? Because that doesn't work. But rather you develop an information edge where you have some insight into how the budgets are going to evolve in years to come. And then you can be developing a product before the market is really there, right?
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[SPEAKER_01] All is fair in love and capitalism. There's no referees in capitalism. Customers are trying to solve the problem. And they don't care if you're first. They care if you're the best thing today. [SPEAKER_09] I just cannot lower my bar. I ask on a weekly basis to my team, am I just being too pedantic? But as soon as you lower the bar, everyone becomes more mediocre.
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[SPEAKER_15] People shouldn't seek out a specific moment to do something super contrarian. But if you're in a position of leadership, it will occasionally become necessary for you to do something really difficult, which will piss off some large group of people, but it's the right thing to do for the company. [SPEAKER_14] Don't get so attached to the chip on your shoulder that you don't work through it. If you're excited about what you're doing and you heal a bit, that's okay. Trust me. Trust me. I've created something which I don't think I've shared publicly, but I've run in time for it. Here we are breaking the news. Let's call it the venture arrogance score.
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[SPEAKER_12] The thing that you want from your venture firm is power. So the thing as a startup that you want is you want them to fill in all the missing pieces that you don't yet have when you're starting a company that you need to succeed. And so you need power. I sometimes describe it as venture firm is providing a bridge loan of a brand. [SPEAKER_06] I was going to say until you have your own brand that's big or bigger for your own space than the VC you're borrowing your VC's brand.
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[SPEAKER_06] Exactly. [SPEAKER_08] Part of the core ethos for me about venture is, I want to understand the new thing. And then we take risk on it. We published our LP letters recently. Some of those beliefs and predictions are going to be wrong and look very stupid. But I think that can be very grounding of, well, at least these people have an opinion and I can decide if I have that worldview or not. [SPEAKER_08] Okay.
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[SPEAKER_13] There's 40 coding companies and this and that, but there's one person who has this clarity, but then it's clumsy. Because you're, you want to—it's a relationship. So you want to have a two way, you want to have a, you don't want to just say, oh my gosh, yes, you had me five minutes in. Because I think the next thing is it's one thing to be extraordinary. It's another to be an amplifier for them.
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[SPEAKER_11] I think for the best founders being a consigliere is 99% of the value. So it's, yeah, I'm going to be someone when everything's a mess, who can give you feedback that occasionally is useful.
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[SPEAKER_06] Thanks a ton for making the time. I learned a ton. [SPEAKER_06] All right, guys, this was amazingly fun. Great to see you as always. [SPEAKER_06] You too. [SPEAKER_06] All right. [SPEAKER_06] Cool. [SPEAKER_06] They're watching us. [SPEAKER_10] Yeah. [SPEAKER_06] This guy's just zipping around. He's just trying to watch that. We'll post in a couple weeks. [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. [SPEAKER_14] Dude, I had no idea you had fans like this.
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[SPEAKER_06] Yeah, it's crazy. [SPEAKER_14] Sorry. to buy this? Because that doesn't work. But rather you develop an information edge where you have some insight into how the budgets are going to evolve in years to come. And then you can be developing a product before the market is really there, right?
SPEAKER_01
All is fair and love in capitalism. There's no referees in capitalism. Customers are trying to solve the problem. And like, they don't care if you're first. They care if you're the best thing today.
SPEAKER_09
I just cannot lower my bar. I ask on a weekly basis to my team, am I just being too, you know, pedantic? But as soon as you lower the bar, everyone becomes more mediocre.
SPEAKER_15
People shouldn't like seek out a specific moment to do something super contrarian. But if you're in a position of leadership, it will occasionally become necessary for you to do something really difficult, which will piss off some large group of people that it's the right thing to do for the company.
SPEAKER_14
Don't get so attached to the chip on your shoulder that you don't work through it.
SPEAKER_14
Like, if you're excited about what you're doing and you like heal a bit, that's okay. Trust me.
SPEAKER_14
Trust me. I've created something which I don't think I've shared publicly, but I've run in time for it. Here we are breaking the news. Let's call it the venture arrogance score.
SPEAKER_12
The thing that you want from your venture firm is power. So the thing as a startup that you want is you want them to like fill in all the missing pieces that you don't yet have when you're starting a company that you need to succeed. And so you need power. I sometimes describe it as venture firm is providing a bridge loan of a brand.
SPEAKER_06
I was going to say until you have your own brand that's big or bigger, you know, for your own space than the VC you're borrowing your VC's brand. Exactly.
SPEAKER_08
Part of the core ethos for me about venture is like, I want to understand the new thing. And then like we take risk on it. Like we published our LP letters recently. Some of those beliefs and predictions are going to be wrong and look very stupid. But I think that can be like very grounding of like, well, at least these people have an opinion and I can decide if I have that worldview or not. Okay.
SPEAKER_13
There's 40 coding companies and this and that, but there's one person who has this clarity, but then it's clumsy. Cause you're like, you want to, it's a relationship. So you want to have a two way, you want to have a, you don't want to just say, oh my gosh, yes, you had me five minutes in. Because I think the next thing is it's one thing to be extraordinary. It's the other is can you be a amplifier for them?
SPEAKER_11
I think for the best founders being a consigliere is like 99% of the value. So it's like, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to be someone when everything's a mess, who can give you feedback that occasionally is useful.
SPEAKER_06
Thanks a ton for making the time. I learned a ton. All right, guys, this was amazingly fun. Great to see you as always. You too. All right. Cool.
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They're watching us.
SPEAKER_10
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06
This guy's just fucking zipping around. He's just trying to watch that. We'll post in a couple weeks. Yeah.
SPEAKER_14
Dude, I had no idea you had fans like this. Yeah, it's crazy. Sorry.